A rambling conversation about our first road trip together, to film a music video for Hawaiian Airlines back in the early 2000s. The convo goes off-track most of the time and so it also includes...

• The best recipes we've ever tried for vegan alfredo sauce and bacon

• Probably don't go hiking up a small mountain in the Southwestern US in wedge heels, with just one row of fig newtons, even for golden hour

• When was the last time you bought a CD from a store and dealt with that annoying cellophane wrap and jewel case that broke way too easily?

• If you live long enough, you'll know the joy of realizing that your life experience chronicles meaningful, material progress in human technology. And amazingly, even though it's forward progress, it can still produce 'backwards' experiences, similar to those of generations 75-100 years ago.

• The weirdness of road trips, if you've been born and raised on an island

• Our cat has FOMO

• RomeroCreations.com – makers of classical guitars and 'ukuleles unlike anything else on the market